Facts and values

Same or similar

facts values [notes]
is it true? does it matter?
is ought
positive normative
descriptive prescriptive

Misc, to-do

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy-based_evidence_making
  • relates to:
    • wrong and irrelevant
  • …a young lawyer … was consulting an older lawyer as to how he should act in the conduct of various cases. He said, “What shall I do if the law is against me?” The older man said, “Come out strong on the facts.” “What shall I do if the facts are against me?” “Come out strong on the law.” “Then, what shall I do if both are against me?” “Abuse the other fellow’s attorney.”
  • http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/04/legal-adage/
  • facts are bullshit
  • most often when people cite "facts," they don't really care about facts. all they ultimately care about are their principles. if some "facts" happen to come out the right way, they'll cite them as if they matter, but in fact they don't, because they never look for facts that refute their position.
  • Israelis are entitled to Palestinian land because they can make better use of it
  • okay, and if someone comes along who can make even better use of it than Israelis, are they allowed to ethnically cleanse Israel?
  • Christianity is the largest religion….(therefore…what? note that the conclusion is often not stated)
  • and if Islam, say, someday surpasses Christianity in number of adherents, then what? why did you bring up the number of adherents in the first place?
  • capitalism creates material well-being better than any system
  • if that turns out not to be the case, would you still advocated it?
  • self deception
  • we should let facts inform our values
  • instead, all too often, we let our values (and, even worse, our mere preferences) to determine what we take to be facts
  • for instance, how can you explain that the people who like guns are almost all people who believe in gun rights? gun control advocates typically dislike guns. it seems to me a clear case of preferences first, then values and facts. people adopt whatever values and factual commitments allow them to indulge their like (or dislike) of firearms.
  • Libertarianism just doesn't have good tools for dealing with large collective action problems, so Libertarians tend to doubt their seriousness. Pretty much every environmental problem was at some point believed by Libertarians to be overblown. What is a Libertarian to do if they do believe it? Suggest that, while it's bad, it surely can't be as bad as the cost of preventing it? But there's no law of physics or politics or economics that should cause one to expect that to be the case. Where some end up is "we're not going to be able to fix this anyway." And that is a much less inspiring movement to be part of than one that believes it is fighting a conspiracy to create a fake science to justify expansion of government.
  • I seriously think that if there were a convincing Libertarian solution to climate change, there would be much less denial of the issue. If Naomi Oreskes is to be believed, even for those paid to not believe in global warming, Libertarianism is the main factor, not money. See this paper, starting around page 33.
  • http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/libertarians-only-now-at-end-do-you.html?showComment=1331102806175#c4706465225439005182
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